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Thursday, November 19, 2009

Authority and Private Revelation

Satan HATES to be mocked...and so do his followers.

In watching the seizure, meltdown, and explosion at "Holy Love" which involves anything BUT authentic holiness or charity, but I have to say it's all very dramatic, in acquiescence to our modern age.

I see all of Satan's (and certainly Maureen Sweeny-Kyle's) juvenile idea of drama in "Holy Love", especially since the Bishop issued his lawful Decree on November 11. If it doesn't matter to them, why are they so up at arms? If they are merely "Ecumenical" why all the head-spinning? Why all the vomitous pea soup in the form of "charts" from alleged "Saints" (as you can see to your right)?

Maureen Sweeny-Kyle, Satan's minion against the Catholic Church and her Faithful is incorporating all the Shakespearean melodrama with the idea of cinematic effects of what modern cinematography could do with the melting witch of the Wizard of Oz. The effect is STUNNING!

I'd applaud except that I don't want to give adulation to a drama contrived in Hell and lived out in the real lives of real people who are truly seeking God but finding only a talking Barbie Doll, hiding behind a screen and selling, to great personal profit, a rosary containing images of dead babies, all the while telling people through a microphone or podcast that they must disobey the Bishop of Cleveland in order to find Salvation. They must believe HER and ONLY HER messages in opposition to the Bishop. And so the blind sheep-becoming-goats follow this 60-year-old woman who REFUSES to be held up to scrutiny, because she and her "husband" both know they can't be held up to scrutiny without being revealed as frauds.

Honesty and Understanding Towards My Atheistic Readership

Gosh, no wonder so many people think Catholics are totally nuts! I don't blame the atheists at all for being atheistic if THIS is their only perception of people of Faith. I just hope that they realize that we legitimate Catholics condemn such idiocy and blind devotion as witnessed at "Holy Love" as they do! I hate to say it, but really...the propensity to hysteria of private revelation devotees is as huge a cause of atheism as is nominal Christianity. No wonder you don't believe. And really, that kind of hysteria is EXACTLY what once drove me away, too.

Just know, my friends, that it isn't authentic belief, and isn't condoned by the Church, or by any person who incorporates both reason and faith.

Not that my observation in this matter is new, however. In fact, it's been around for a very long time, such that it was cited in Vatican II:

Undeniably, those who willfully shut out God from their hearts and try to dodge religious questions are not following the dictates of their consciences, and hence are not free of blame; yet believers themselves frequently bear some responsibility for this situation. For, taken as a whole, atheism is not a spontaneous development but stems from a variety of causes, including a critical reaction against religious beliefs, and in some places against the Christian religion in particular. Hence believers can have more than a little to do with the birth of atheism. To the extent that they neglect their own training in the faith, or teach erroneous doctrine, or are deficient in their religious, moral or social life, they must be said to conceal rather than reveal the authentic face of God and religion.

It is no surprise to me, therefore, when I look at fiascoes such as "Holy Love" that atheists and even others of Christian faith think that we're a bunch of nut jobs with no intelligence. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to evaluate such a site to realize there is NOTHING supernatural about it, and that it is nothing but a really embarrassing fraud. The fact that so many flock there and continue to support such an obvious offense against Truth, Faith, and God Himself actually makes me realize that intellect and will play a HUGE part in protecting us from giving into such an obsequious display of fawning, drooling, and mindless devotion to "divine messages" whose only real support is "Maureen's Voices said so."

**** The Message from today, November 19, 2009 takes the cake in idiocy, though, and so I post it here:

The alleged message, November 19, 2009, reads, in part:

"St. Thomas Aquinas says: "Praise be to Jesus."

In the Church itself, the Pope is infallible, but no one else. This is where human error comes into play. People often do not realize that they have a choice. They do not realize that not everything is infallible. They do not realize the graces they are missing for themselves and the world through 'blind' obedience."

"I have come today so that the world might see again the joys of the fruits of the Holy Spirit and open their hearts to the Truth of Holy Love."

Take another look at the bold text. "In the Church itself, the Pope is infallible, but no one else."

This is an outright example of the common-sense kind in which Maureen Sweeny-Kyle reveals has NO IDEA what she is talking about, and if she claims this to be from God, well....since when is God Mr. Magoo? Is He a bumbling idiot who has forgotten His own doctrines?


I direct you to this text from the Vatican II Document, Lumen Gentium, the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church:

18.... This Sacred Council, following closely in the footsteps of the First Vatican Council, with that Council teaches and declares that Jesus Christ, the eternal Shepherd, established His holy Church, having sent forth the apostles as He Himself had been sent by the Father; and He willed that their successors, namely the bishops, should be shepherds in His Church even to the consummation of the world. And in order that the episcopate itself might be one and undivided, He placed Blessed Peter over the other apostles, and instituted in him a permanent and visible source and foundation of unity of faith and communion. And all this teaching about the institution, the perpetuity, the meaning and reason for the sacred primacy of the Roman Pontiff and of his infallible magisterium, this Sacred Council again proposes to be firmly believed by all the faithful. Continuing in that same undertaking, this Council is resolved to declare and proclaim before all men the doctrine concerning bishops, the successors of the apostles, who together with the successor of Peter, the Vicar of Christ, the visible Head of the whole Church, govern the house of the living God.

Wow, that seems to me to be a Dogmatic declaration, doesn't it? It makes it look like the Pope isn't the ONLY authority in the Church, is he? Could it be that infallible authority of the Holy Spirit extends BEYOND the Pope?

Let's continue:

19. The Lord Jesus, after praying to the Father, calling to Himself those whom He desired, appointed twelve to be with Him, and whom He would send to preach the Kingdom of God; and these apostles He formed after the manner of a college or a stable group, over which He placed Peter chosen from among them. He sent them first to the children of Israel and then to all nations, so that as sharers in His power they might make all peoples His disciples, and sanctify and govern them, and thus spread His Church, and by ministering to it under the guidance of the Lord, direct it all days even to the consummation of the world.

I don't see anything in here indicating that Jesus would send His Faithful to some person claiming to speak for Him in Ohio in the late 20th/ early 21st Century. But let's read on with regard to the Infallibility of the Bishops under the Pope. This is getting GOOD!

20. That divine mission, entrusted by Christ to the apostles, will last until the end of the world since the Gospel they are to teach is for all time the source of all life for the Church. And for this reason the apostles, appointed as rulers in this society, took care to appoint successors.

Thus, as St. Irenaeus testifies, through those who were appointed bishops by the apostles, and through their successors [through] our own time, the apostolic tradition is manifested and preserved

Bishops, therefore, with their helpers, the priests and deacons, have taken up the service of the community, presiding in place of God over the flock, whose shepherds they are, as teachers for doctrine, priests for sacred worship, and ministers for governing.

Don't tell Pope Maureen Sweeny-Kyle that! She'll be PISSED! Who KNOWS what her messages will look like if she actually realizes that she is WRONG!

*dramatic, shocked silence, waiting for the apocalypse*



The actual teachings of the Catholic Church are COMPLETELY detrimental to her plans! And if her followers find out....WATCH OUT! They will SPAM you with anonymous comments for which they can't be held accountable!

But WAIT...there's MORE!

Lumen Gentium, 2o: Therefore, the Sacred Council teaches that bishops by divine institution have succeeded to the place of the apostles, as shepherds of the Church, and he who hears them, hears Christ, and he who rejects them, rejects Christ and Him who sent Christ.

That's pretty damned condemning to "Holy Love" by Maureen Sweeny-Kyle's personal doctrine, isn't it? So much for "Only the Pope is infallible". Guess she forgot to read up on actual Catholic teaching. So much for "You don't need to listen to the Bishop". Guess actual authority outside of herself is too much for her.

(Hint!: if you're going to claim private revelation, make sure you know what magisterial documents actually say!)

Let's throw some more dirt onto Sweeny-Kyle's "Holy Love" coffin, just to be safe:

Lumen Gentium (LG, 22)

The order of bishops, which succeeds to the college of apostles and gives this apostolic body continued existence, is also the subject of supreme and full power over the universal Church, provided we understand this body together with its head the Roman Pontiff and never without this head. This power can be exercised only with the consent of the Roman Pontiff. For our Lord placed Simon alone as the rock and the bearer of the keys of the Church, and made him shepherd of the whole flock; it is evident, however, that the power of binding and loosing, which was given to Peter, was granted also to the college of apostles, joined with their head.

It's important to add:

24. Bishops, as successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord, to whom was given all power in heaven and on earth, the mission to teach all nations and to preach the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain to salvation by faith, baptism and the fulfilment of the commandments. To fulfill this mission, Christ the Lord promised the Holy Spirit to the Apostles, and on Pentecost day sent the Spirit from heaven, by whose power they would be witnesses to Him before the nations and peoples and kings even to the ends of the earth.

It seems, in God's plan and under the infallible authority of the Pope..that the BISHOPS are actually SIGNIFICANT to the Church and the authority of the Holy Spirit HIMSELF speaks through them! Wow! Let's read on!

25. ...Bishops are authentic teachers, endowed with the authority of Christ, who preach to the people committed to them the faith they must believe and put into practice, and by the light of the Holy Spirit illustrate that faith. They bring forth from the treasury of Revelation new things and old, vigilantly warding off any errors that threaten their flock. Bishops, teaching in communion with the Roman Pontiff, are to be respected by all as witnesses to divine and Catholic truth. In matters of faith and morals, the bishops speak in the name of Christ and the faithful are to accept their teaching and adhere to it with a religious assent.

It seems that the Church has proleptically sealed the coffin of Maureen Sweeny-Kyle's claims that the local Ordinary (Bishop) has no authority over the souls, especially Catholics, in his diocese or elsewhere. But let's just shovel another load of Ohio Clay onto this dead horse, shall we?

...Individual bishops proclaim Christ's doctrinal infallibly whenever maintaining the bond of communion among themselves and with the successor of Peter, and authentically teaching matters of faith and morals, they are in agreement on one position as definitively to be held.

I encourage you to read ALL of Lumen Gentium, and with your eyes wide open. Especially if you think you can still hold to "Holy Love" and other private revelations (and here I include those others like Medugorjie or "Mediocrity" or however that place is spelled.)

In all of this, though, can someone please explain to me why I don't see mention in here of the necessity of the messages of "Holy Love" for our Salvation, and please educate me as to why the Bishops should be ignored/opposed in light of Maureen's alleged almighty infallible testimony? I have read of the infallibility of the Pope and the Bishops, but NOWHERE, but in Maureen's own personal, desperate, dramatic "LOOK AT ME OR I'LL TANTRUM!" plea for attention do I see any authentic requirement to look to her and her Voices for my eternal salvation. Or yours.

I'm sorry, but in light of all Jesus Christ has done for His Church as His Bride, and for me personally as my Lord, Savior, and Bridegroom, I guess I can't cast my salvation in with a woman whose sole authority is:
"My Voices Said So!"


Joe ( said...

WOW! Your research makes me so jealous!

Awesome post!

Maureen said...

Adoro, you're doing yeoman work. Keep it up.

I agree that a person who is close to Mary is happy to be obedient to superiors, happy to give and give up everything and keep nothing, full of love and sweetness towards everyone and especially enemies. A person who imitates Mary imitates Christ. Pretty words are not enough, but nasty words like these people are sending you is a definite negative sign.

Heck, at this point, I'm surprised their ISPs hasn't banned them for being trolls, instead of their bishop banning their devotion for being fake.

Our Lady, Exterminator of Heresies, pray for us!

Maureen said...

Oh, and to clarify for newbies -- I'm Maureen from Dayton, not any sort of Maureen from Cleveland! :)

Adoro said...

Joe ~ LOL, thanks, but it's all from Vatican II, most Lumen Gentium. I linked to it...go ahead and read it in its entirety! :-)

Maureen ~ Good thing you clarified. Of course, I know who you are, but it's true that maybe some others wouldn't!

To clarify, I haven't gotten nasty messages. Stepford-wife cult-follower type messages, and people looking to find a way to disregard the Bishop even in light of Maureen's meltdown, but they haven't been nasty. I read a post yesterday that there WAS someone who got massively flamed by people, though and they are far less than charitable.

saintos said...

You're so mean. Why can't you just luv on these people. {wink - really BIG wink}

Qualis Rex said...

I have always been amazed that such groups can call themselves Catholic, since there is nothing more antithecal to Catholicism as rejecting the magesterium. Just as Our Lord said very clearly, "not everyone who cries Lord, Lord! will enter the kingdom of heaven" neither will those who cry "Look at my rosary that just turned to gold!" Silly, foolish, and yes, as you rightly point out, inspired by Satan.

You'd think people would have learned their lesson from the "Bayside Bimbo" already.

saintos said...

It's really just another kind of Proesting but with a Catholic trappings.

Adoro said...

saintos ~ ROFL! And yes, they are just Protestants pretending to be Catholic and getting it horribly, horribly wrong. What's so tragic is that they're losing their own souls while dragging so many others down with them.

Qualis Rex ~ Well, the scary thing is that just like these stepford wives, the Bayside people rejected the Bishop's decree, too, claiming canonical grounds and "harm". Which is a misreading of Canon Law. People think they have the "right" to spout bad theology and spread it around. They don't. Thus the removal of that and command to stand down in holy obedience is ignored by them because they're in love with themselves. Not God.

Qualis Rex said...

Adoro precisely. The Bayside Bimbo held my attention for about a minute; I found one of their "newsletters" which was entitled "the Jehova's Witnesses inspired by Satan". Now, who can disagree with that? But then as I dug deeper, I saw the "revelations"; that there were Soviet missiles (the Soviet Union had collapsed 3 years prior) hidden in the NYC subway system, that aliens were abducting children for Satanic rituals, and a huge explosion would befall the nations captitol (I kid you not, these were/are all "revelations"). It didn't take long to realize she was wacko. The bad part is, she still has a very loyal cult-following, which has since splintered into 3 groups; one belonging to her husband, one belonging to the one which possesses Veronikas plaster statue of Mary from which the apparitions originated, and a third which simply doesn't get along with the other two. So, I guess this is actually a good thing when you think about it. I figure they'll die off within another generation or so.