tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post2841658003016789069..comments2023-09-22T06:56:46.508-05:00Comments on Adoro te Devote: Separation of Church and StateAdorohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-22150633868262398852009-03-14T12:39:00.000-05:002009-03-14T12:39:00.000-05:00If only there wasn't another bill also opposing Ch...If only there wasn't another bill also opposing Church policy in CT now to replace that one.Hidden Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06042188431683942338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-790325652866061802009-03-10T09:17:00.000-05:002009-03-10T09:17:00.000-05:00Adoro, Abp. Chaput's response gets to the heart of...Adoro, <A HREF="http://www.archden.org/index.cfm/ID/1608" REL="nofollow">Abp. Chaput's response</A> gets to the heart of this bill:<BR/><BR/><I>If Catholics want Caesar telling them how they're allowed to live their civil life as a community, this is exactly the kind of legislation to make it happen.<BR/><BR/>The legislative coercion directed against the Catholic community in one state has implications for Catholics in every other state.</I><BR/><BR/>There are Catholics (in-name-only) who are for this bill and want a say in how the Church is run. Dig and you'll find VOTF here. There will be two Catholic profs tomorrow speaking <I>for</I> this bill. This leads to confusion for ordinary Catholics.Argenthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16730714395562280772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-76252191065362495902009-03-10T06:05:00.000-05:002009-03-10T06:05:00.000-05:00Well, I don't know that an outside firm checks any...Well, I don't know that an outside firm checks anything...why would they need to if the church is doing just fine? Most parishes have financial boards and the like, and the Pastor has the final say. And of course, they are linked to the diocese and bishop. I know our own parish owes a huge debt to the Archdiocese and has loans to pay back...obviously that has to be managed. <BR/><BR/>But in CT, the State is trying to make the Church accountable to THEM. And mind you...the state of CT can't even handle their OWN money, what are they doing try to manage the Church's, which HASN'T had any problems with "misappropriation", and if they do...it's not the State's problem.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-74917769238360083512009-03-10T00:07:00.000-05:002009-03-10T00:07:00.000-05:00This is terrible Adoro!I don't understand the in's...This is terrible Adoro!<BR/><BR/>I don't understand the in's and out's of the structure of each diocese in the States (ie whether the diocese needs to be registered as a 'corporation' or as a 'charity' etc..), but the main point seems to be to ensure that money's are not 'misappropriated'.<BR/><BR/>I mean, surely, after each financial year the board would have to have the books checked and audited by an outside firm? If everything is published, anything like this would be immediately picked up.<BR/><BR/>Everyone's right, this is just a smoke cover for larger issues to bring the church to heel and make you guys scared to speak out against anything.<BR/><BR/>I'm praying for you!Mrs Doylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11872007851868294609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-51643572123143625292009-03-09T19:24:00.000-05:002009-03-09T19:24:00.000-05:00Cathy ~ That's exactly why they're doing this- to ...Cathy ~ That's exactly why they're doing this- to try to hobble the Church. To put a muzzle on her. To silence her. If they hold the purse strings, then suddenly the Church is no longer free to speak. <BR/><BR/>This administration is so anti-life it's horrifying. And as I understand it, the bill's authors are the most vocal proponents of gay "marriage" - clearly this bill is as vindictive as they can get.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-62757350719654869212009-03-09T19:18:00.000-05:002009-03-09T19:18:00.000-05:00Adoro: Horrifying. Unfortunately, in the US, peopl...Adoro: Horrifying. Unfortunately, in the US, people think it will never happen. What did we see happen today? More death enacted into law.Cathy_of_Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795566831031491371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-32785600141651104072009-03-09T11:16:00.000-05:002009-03-09T11:16:00.000-05:00"Apparently we're going to go the way of old Europ..."Apparently we're going to go the way of old Europe and make the same mistakes they did."<BR/><BR/>Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. <BR/><BR/>I'm with Joe. It's the kick in the pants we needed. Bring it on.Lynnehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17970851228593550726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-47934148033372770862009-03-09T08:45:00.000-05:002009-03-09T08:45:00.000-05:00Joe ~ the only problem is that people don't seem t...Joe ~ the only problem is that people don't seem to KNOW about it! I gave a talk on the Mass last night and brought it up. And we DO take it for granted. I'm amazed at the lukewarmness of the vast majority of Catholics who aren't even REACTING to this! (Mostly because they don't know, and secondarily, because once they know they don't understand why it's a problem!) <BR/><BR/>Mark ~ Of course...everything old is new again...taking root in America. And to think we have been so self-righteous. Apparently we're going to go the way of old Europe and make the same mistakes they did. *sigh*<BR/><BR/>Not that any country is perfect, of course.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-16561483845405173632009-03-09T04:08:00.000-05:002009-03-09T04:08:00.000-05:00One could also compare this with the treatment of ...One could also compare this with the treatment of the Catholic Church in France after the French Revolution, and especially the "Civil Constitution of the Clergy" by which the State effectively nationalized and regulated the Church.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15285355080459130149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-52564734497670818882009-03-09T00:34:00.000-05:002009-03-09T00:34:00.000-05:00Adoro, (not that persecution is ever fun), but may...Adoro, (not that persecution is ever fun), but maybe this is the kick start in the pants that all of us need to take our Faith seriously again? As you've said on this blog, I think the American Church REALLY takes for granted the situation that they have.Joe of St. Thérèsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06506671882770822003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-45817011378173006212009-03-08T23:09:00.000-05:002009-03-08T23:09:00.000-05:00It IS frustrating! How can they possibly THINK tha...It IS frustrating! <BR/><BR/>How can they possibly THINK that this isn't an infringement of our rights? What makes them think they can insinuate themselves into our affairs and make us change our internal laws?<BR/><BR/>Now we know what happened in China...it's happening here. Fascists!Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-8463334727883585262009-03-08T23:02:00.000-05:002009-03-08T23:02:00.000-05:00This is so frustrating to hear about. I think the ...This is so frustrating to hear about. I think the diocese is right to respond quickly to this threat, as this would completely throw out Canon Law and restructure Catholic churches in a similar fashion to Congregational churches. It's especially interesting that the bill makes the "Board of Directors" the authority in the parish, with the bishop as advisor and pastor as employee. Trusteeism rears its ugly head once again.Father Cory Stichahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16426512153670141621noreply@blogger.com