tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post2525516116713784732..comments2023-09-22T06:56:46.508-05:00Comments on Adoro te Devote: TwistedAdorohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-3398949595064663932009-02-24T13:30:00.000-06:002009-02-24T13:30:00.000-06:00Tony ~ I don't disagree...in fact, I've written on...Tony ~ I don't disagree...in fact, I've written on that before, taking your EXACT position. <BR/><BR/>But what I didn't consider is the opposite effect; that kids are seeing Catholicism and are not associating it with what you and I know to be true (that is the True faith, the power of Christ, etc.), but they are seeing the sinister, and associating things like chant with evil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-48679607236942068152009-02-24T12:09:00.000-06:002009-02-24T12:09:00.000-06:00I have to take a the complete opposite tack than y...I have to take a the complete opposite tack than you, Adoro.<BR/><BR/>Every time there is some occult threat, demonic possession, supernatural creature, you always see the Roman Catholic Church.<BR/><BR/>When the battle for the hero's soul is taking place, it's not taking place in a Protestant megachurch surrounded by wide screen TV monitors, it's in a classical Catholic cathedral, with vaulted ceilings, candles, incense, images and statues.<BR/><BR/>Then the vampire is being blocked, it's a cross charged with the rock-solid faith of a Catholic Priest. When a demon is possessing the body of an innocent person, it's the Catholic exorcist using ancient rites in <B>Latin</B> that drive it out.<BR/><BR/>In the fight against supernatural evil, Hollywood always returns to the Catholic Church because any other church simply is not believable. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-87449250443042242712009-02-22T19:18:00.000-06:002009-02-22T19:18:00.000-06:00Cygnus ~ I don't remember that at all...although I...Cygnus ~ I don't remember that at all...although I also wasn't a fan of Enigma that I recall. I certainly don't own any of their music! Hmmm...I need to look them up so I can see what you're talking about, but from what you've stated...makes me sick. <BR/><BR/>Evil always takes beauty and twists it for its own use. :-(Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-55135386963330273742009-02-21T09:36:00.000-06:002009-02-21T09:36:00.000-06:00And don't forget that one of the ways Gregorian ch...And don't forget that one of the ways Gregorian chant got popularized in the early 90s was as the background to the techno-group Enigma's "Sadeness". That's the same group that brought us the obscene "Principles of Lust."Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12423691524148589916noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-91075269571981151992009-02-16T17:54:00.000-06:002009-02-16T17:54:00.000-06:00Geometricus, I wish you could all come to my churc...Geometricus, I wish you could all come to my church. Our priest sings all of the liturgy - and he sings it beautifully. Our choir sings chant for the entire service. It is so, so beautiful. All in Latin. I wish every Catholic could attend a Mass like this every Sunday.Kathy O'Donnellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10228341146808671655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-22580624042663015252009-02-16T14:14:00.000-06:002009-02-16T14:14:00.000-06:00Geometricus ~ Thanks for your comment. I totally ...Geometricus ~ Thanks for your comment. I totally agree, and DREAM of the day! <BR/><BR/>The first context we gave the kids was for Confessions during Advent. We had Adoration in the church with Chant playing, and they were WONDERFULLY behaved, the Church was MUCH quieter than usual, and many of the kids, of all ages, expressed interest in the music. The Catechists OVERWHELMINGLY said that the format worked and asked us to do it again! No, it wasn't Mass, but the intro to them was proper to the venue, and worked. It wouldn't have without the presence of Christ. <BR/><BR/>He makes all things new. Even things that are "ancient".Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-24691897212903998992009-02-16T13:33:00.000-06:002009-02-16T13:33:00.000-06:00My own kids never get to watch one of those "creep...My own kids never get to watch one of those "creepy" movies that misuses Gregorian chant. At least not with my permission!<BR/><BR/>Gregorian Chant is most appropriately heard within the context of the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, not in a classroom. I'll bet the same kid would NOT think chant "creepy" in that context. But even if he does, repeated exposure and some good catechesis would cure him of this.<BR/><BR/>The last couple of months I have been singing the proper communion antiphon at 11am mass where I am the choir director. Even the babies stop crying. The church is thick with silence after several bars and remains that way for a few minutes afterward.<BR/><BR/>Imagine if the whole mass were imbued with chant...think about how wonderful!Geometricushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12608136348402997098noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-71823572297851106492009-02-15T21:59:00.000-06:002009-02-15T21:59:00.000-06:00Ohhhhhhhh. :) Dang those possessive articles! ;...Ohhhhhhhh. :) Dang those possessive articles! ;)The Ironic Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12990289461877567408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-74074712089604017822009-02-15T20:40:00.000-06:002009-02-15T20:40:00.000-06:00NO! Not the boy! SATAN'S ETERNAL DAMNATION! I'd ...NO! Not the boy! SATAN'S ETERNAL DAMNATION! <BR/><BR/>I'd NEVER state such a thing about anyone!Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-79066123049128168442009-02-15T20:27:00.000-06:002009-02-15T20:27:00.000-06:00"That's what the middle school boy observ..."That's what the middle school boy observed, and it's how he's been indoctrinated. <BR/><BR/>So when we, or his catechist, in doing something good, brings Gregorian Chant into an event or classroom, rather than being calming, it's natural that some students are going to have a violent dislike of what they're hearing. <BR/><BR/>And how the Evil One must be gleefully rejoicing in his eternal damnation. "<<<<<<< there. :)The Ironic Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12990289461877567408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-87890909932701111682009-02-14T19:06:00.000-06:002009-02-14T19:06:00.000-06:00Thanks for your comments, everyone. IC ~ Where do ...Thanks for your comments, everyone. <BR/><BR/>IC ~ Where do you think I implied that the kid was "damned"? <BR/>* mystified *<BR/><BR/>I realize I wrote this at 6 am, but c'mon, I'm not in the habit of damning kids! (just their mislead parents...lol...!)Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-72020676237882554952009-02-14T18:05:00.000-06:002009-02-14T18:05:00.000-06:00I guess I hadn't noticed it was so prevalent in cr...I guess I hadn't noticed it was so prevalent in creepy movies (but then I'm not a very big fan of creepy movies!). The reaction I have noticed from the young people is usually "Bo-ring!" followed by the eye roll, you know the one.<BR/>Actually my favorite chant CD is a freebie from an order of Carmelite monks in Texas. The CD was recorded by the choir of the Abbey of Notre Dame de Fontgombault in France. I don't think anyone could listen to this and not feel the peace.Melody Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00442985285647041700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-22917861438551094962009-02-14T16:10:00.000-06:002009-02-14T16:10:00.000-06:00Oh, and you can point out the whole "Ominous Chant...Oh, and you can point out the whole "Ominous Chanting" trope to the kids. If they can put a name to what they've heard, they can take it for what it is -- instead of just sucking a general bad impression from the surrounding culture.Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-7292326423519783402009-02-14T16:08:00.000-06:002009-02-14T16:08:00.000-06:00A lot of kids do hear the beauty in chant, even by...A lot of kids do hear the beauty in chant, even by learning about through "Ominous Chanting" (yes, it's a whole long page on TV Tropes). But yes, it's a problem.<BR/><BR/>There are different ways to sing chant, and some are livelier than others. "Ominous Chanting" usually isn't very lively.<BR/><BR/>You can introduce chant to kids with one of the more lively chant melodies or hymns. We can afford to cater a bit to the sensibilities of people who don't understand the emotion behind modes yet.<BR/><BR/>We can teach the English version of chant melodies. Kids already sing chant without knowing it, at Christmas.Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-78357088295129816032009-02-14T16:05:00.000-06:002009-02-14T16:05:00.000-06:00Ok, details, details--this kid who thinks Gregoria...Ok, details, details--this kid who thinks Gregorian chant is spooky isn't damned by that (sounded like that at one line).<BR/><BR/>BUT I do think you're on to something--the reaction I get in required theology classes is so mixed it is bizarre. Usually students will report afterward that they like me well enough, but why do they have to take theology??!!! What does THAT have to do with anything? (and others love it) I tell this to other professors and they say "well, all students do that," but it really seems more extreme in theology...like even with 14 weeks, I can't turn around this vague "smells like a subject that I left in the garbage 3 weeks ago)."<BR/><BR/>Well, sometimes they do indeed turn around. But it's a huge effort, and God does it more than me, I think.The Ironic Catholichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12990289461877567408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-22196465650696856752009-02-14T11:43:00.000-06:002009-02-14T11:43:00.000-06:00That rythmic crunching sound you hear? That's the...That rythmic crunching sound you hear? That's the lockstep boots of the anti-christian legion advancing their cause of twisting everything they can to obscure the faith and make it scary and icky to youth.ignorant redneckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15718783732896413346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-50080559931069482482009-02-14T11:25:00.000-06:002009-02-14T11:25:00.000-06:00Pope Paul VI was the one who made the "smoke of Sa...Pope Paul VI was the one who made the "smoke of Satan" comment during vatican II. Jimmy Akin did some analysis of the original homily <A HREF="http://jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2006/11/the_smoke_of_sa.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Deacon Bill Burnshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11484509700642430451noreply@blogger.com