tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post6991344216341174709..comments2023-09-22T06:56:46.508-05:00Comments on Adoro te Devote: Slander of Vatican II and the Tridentine MassAdorohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-81174886836897235842007-11-24T17:55:00.000-06:002007-11-24T17:55:00.000-06:00Sorry, also hit enter too soon. My point with refe...Sorry, also hit enter too soon. My point with reference to what happened to indugences after V2 was that they were downplayed, meaning that this doctrine of the Church was not taught or upheld. I'm COMPLAINING about what people wrongly attribute to Vatican II. Perhaps you didn't read my post correctly, or with an agenda, or perhaps you're assuming something of my position without taking time to ask first?Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-78917739830533639592007-11-24T17:53:00.000-06:002007-11-24T17:53:00.000-06:00Anon ~ I was speaking of the SELLING OF INDULGENCE...Anon ~ I was speaking of the SELLING OF INDULGENCES, not the practice of it. I'm sorry you misunderstood. <BR/><BR/>I often pray for the holy souls in purgatory and in fact have suggested on my blog that others do the same.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-65232471463619330032007-11-24T14:24:00.000-06:002007-11-24T14:24:00.000-06:00You should have left the indulgenced prayers/masse...You should have left the indulgenced prayers/masses/actions for the holy souls in Purgatory out of your blog. How exacly were they abused? Pope Leo XIII probably added the most indulgenced prayers/actions to the burgeoning list of indulgences in the late 1800's. Pope's added to the list and Pope Paul VI in 1967streamlined things with his INDULGENTIARUM DOCTRINA. "Downplayed" a spiritual act of mercy? No way! People stopped praying for our brothers and sisters in the Church suffering in Purgatory, because everyone 'of course' is going to heaven. "There is no hell or purgatory", circa 70's, 80's, 90's, and today. How about a blog on prayers/praying for our dear suffering souls in Purgatory!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-46960472035147316432007-08-15T02:33:00.000-05:002007-08-15T02:33:00.000-05:00Hi Adoro,I'm a bit behind in catching up with your...Hi Adoro,<BR/><BR/>I'm a bit behind in catching up with your blog, just got back for o/s.<BR/><BR/>But as to the reference to the Jewish people in the Old Mass, here it is from my missal (New Marian Missal 1961 - ed Fr. Juergens)<BR/><BR/>Prayers in 'The Great Intercessions'.<BR/><BR/>'Almighty and everlasting God, who drivest not away from Thy mercy unbelieving Jews: hear our prayers, which we offer for the blindness of that people: that acknowledging the light of Thy truth, which is Christ, they may be rescued from their darkness.'<BR/><BR/>and just to really annoy everyone else...<BR/><BR/>'Let us pray also for the pagans: that almighty God would remove iniquity from their hearts: that, putting aside their idels, they may be converted to the true and living God, and His only Son, Jesus Christ our God and Lord'.<BR/><BR/>Also, how can we be accused of being anti-Semite?<BR/><BR/>Jesus was a Jew!!!!Alicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16841606502716339340noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-4962493146598681242007-08-14T08:49:00.000-05:002007-08-14T08:49:00.000-05:00hidden one ~ I was wondering when someone was goin...hidden one ~ I was wondering when someone was going to pick up on that! LOL!Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-37726983107181998442007-08-13T23:36:00.000-05:002007-08-13T23:36:00.000-05:00For the record, Adoro, I think it's possible to li...For the record, Adoro, I think it's possible to link to the Vatican 2 documents at least a few more times in your post. But that might get distracting. <BR/><BR/>Always Praying and Occasionally Laughing,<BR/>Hidden OneHidden Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06042188431683942338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-83772424483889795282007-08-13T08:21:00.000-05:002007-08-13T08:21:00.000-05:00uncle jim ~ That's hilarious! And here I was thi...uncle jim ~ That's hilarious! And here I was thinking it was some weird Latin abbreviation or something I was supposed to know...LOL!Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-68609889317496599692007-08-13T04:45:00.000-05:002007-08-13T04:45:00.000-05:00ixvrfu = the "word verification" qualifier to post...ixvrfu = the "word verification" qualifier to post that comment ... only it ended up in the comment box through some mysterious interpositionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-46839159058670061562007-08-12T23:35:00.000-05:002007-08-12T23:35:00.000-05:00paramedicgirl ~ One at a time. We had a similar c...paramedicgirl ~ One at a time. We had a similar conversation last week at our orientation for classes (for Ave Maria University) last week. We are in the New Springtime, the New Evangelization now. And that Evangelization applies to those of us apparently called to educate others. <BR/><BR/>All we can do is try; we can educate, we can speak, we can lead by example, we can let our voices be heard, and we can be careful to make sure our own conduct is faithful. <BR/><BR/>And God will do the rest. <BR/><BR/>Just keep blogging; the current medium is the internet. John Paul II called us to use technology. You and I and others like us are using this medium, and it IS making a difference, although it wouldn't be measurable for years, if ever.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-24389565651133688612007-08-12T22:30:00.000-05:002007-08-12T22:30:00.000-05:00Good post, Adoro. There is lots of misinformation...Good post, Adoro. There is lots of misinformation out there, feeding the anti-Catholic frenzy. Now, how do we get the corrections made publicly????paramedicgirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17524363951843887071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-4949599402363865262007-08-12T21:00:00.000-05:002007-08-12T21:00:00.000-05:00Ultra ~ How right you are. There's no such thing a...Ultra ~ How right you are. There's no such thing as debate anymore. It's all mudslinging. While I was never schooled in the art of debate, I was on the speech team in High School (yes, I'm a geek, even lettered), and there was a section for "debate" as well as "discussion" which was a lesser form of debate, more informal, but likely with the same rules. I think what a lot of this comes down to is basic manners, but in our overly-politicized society, manners gets thrown out in favor of whoever can shout the loudest and fling unbased insults the best. <BR/><BR/>Ray ~ Thanks for the clarification. <BR/><BR/>Anita ~ You're right, of course, and I hadn't caught that. I had meant to mention deacons...and now I feel really bad for slighting them! The correction has been made. <BR/><BR/>uncle jim ~ LOL! Thanks, but I'm not there yet! Classes start end of August, and then it'll be 3 years before I complete my degree. God willing. What does ixvrfu mean?Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-14545666186584106192007-08-12T19:42:00.000-05:002007-08-12T19:42:00.000-05:00so, adoro, when do your classes start?and are you ...so, adoro, when do your classes start?<BR/>and are you a student or a teacher?<BR/><BR/>i hereby grant your MTS [honorary of course] but you seem to have it down.ixvrfuAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-63305170668125249882007-08-12T17:35:00.000-05:002007-08-12T17:35:00.000-05:00The ONLY Eucharistic Ministers are ordained priest...<I>The ONLY Eucharistic Ministers are ordained priests.</I><BR/><BR/>Actually, this should read "The ONLY Eucharistic Ministers [i.e., ordinary ministers] are men in Holy Orders," since deacons are also ordinary ministers of the Eucharist.Anita Moorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11305092097247290243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-18478747861750170712007-08-12T12:47:00.000-05:002007-08-12T12:47:00.000-05:00You've raised some important issues, Adoro, that I...You've raised some important issues, Adoro, that I have been thinking about for a long time.<BR/><BR/>I think that you have ultimately resolved your question about the changes in liturgical language with respect to the Jews. The language has been "softened."<BR/><BR/>On one day a year, Good Friday, we are asked to pray for the "fullness of redemption" of the Jews and Abe Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League goes ballistic. He apparently wants approval rights to all use of the word "Jew" or "Jewish." <BR/><BR/>Frankly, what I really think Foxman wants is job security. He finds what he calls anti-Semitism everywhere he looks.<BR/><BR/>Adoro: <I>If we are praying for all religions EXCEPT those who embrace Judaism, doesn't that make us anti-semite??? </I> Bingo!<BR/><BR/><BR/>The barely schooled Catholics today want a democratic church with regular referendums on moral issues and Church beliefs and practices and are very upset that the Church hasn't thrown open its doors to other Christians.<BR/><BR/>The Church has tried to include others. But the mainline Protestant churches are discarding major parts of their beliefs and regulations as fast as they can. Whether some of them are still Christians is a serious question.<BR/><BR/>Just yesterday, the ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America) voted to authorize practicing, cohabiting homosexuals to be pastors of Lutheran parishes.<BR/><BR/><BR/>Countless meetings and events have been held in the name of ecumenism over the last 40 years. The Church has modified its liturgies even to the point of adding Protestant prayers to them ("For thine is. . . .") and we beg for reciprocation.<BR/><BR/>I defy anybody to point to one single issue where Protestants have conceded that the Church is correct and have formally modified their beliefs. <BR/><BR/>In fact, the word "Protestant" has been actually outlawed in the Catholic Church unless it is pronounced as "our Protestant brothers and sisters."<BR/><BR/>There have been some quiet ecumenical successes with some of the Orthodox churches and those faiths that can make a claim to apostolic succession. <BR/><BR/>And for that we should all be grateful.<BR/><BR/>But the objections from Catholics such as we see in this Harrisburg newspaper article , as Adoro has said, are the product of poorly formed individuals who know very little about their Church.<BR/><BR/>And the Church is indeed responsible for the malpractice rampant in its educational ministries.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08332138030182107580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-69154299052193133882007-08-12T00:09:00.000-05:002007-08-12T00:09:00.000-05:00I recently had the pleasure of dealing with a rece...I recently had the pleasure of dealing with a recently renewed friendship, someone I knew as a childhood friend. She had a bad experience around some catholics, and decided upon the idea that all Catholics were anti-semites. I was flustered by her insuperable confidence, and complete inability to separate hysteria from reality. When one is going to level blame on anyone, it seems reason goes out the window. Whether it's an athiest delivering a tirade on religious quackery, or a tirade on the loss and destruction of the Mass due to the horror which is Vatican 2, or the center-left crowd's horror and disgust for the rad-trad movement, why can't every body just simmer down and start to use reasoned, careful, limited language.<BR/><BR/>Instead we all head off and pull out our copy of Polemics for Dummies off the shelf. Chapter One, how to alienate people and shut down discussion. I recommend calling someone a nazi, a wife-beater, and a communist, and perhaps not at all a nice person.<BR/><BR/><BR/>:-)<BR/><BR/>WarrenWarrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04053407632823479165noreply@blogger.com