tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post6064763155657871499..comments2023-09-22T06:56:46.508-05:00Comments on Adoro te Devote: Unknown SaintsAdorohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-40965621824678237772007-05-20T12:03:00.000-05:002007-05-20T12:03:00.000-05:00Perhaps it is a bit of pseudo ancestor worship but...Perhaps it is a bit of pseudo ancestor worship but I 'venerate' my grandparents and great-grandparents all the time with regard to contemplating the good lives they lead and asking them to pray for me, and in trying to emulate them. I also tend to project graft the grandfathers onto St. Joseph a bit, right or wrong. I don't do that with Mary, right or wrong she's too holy to lump in with humans I guess because of the whole Immaculate thing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-60916443731000516692007-05-19T18:09:00.000-05:002007-05-19T18:09:00.000-05:00angelmeg, I like that. "Humility of obscurity." ...angelmeg, I like that. "Humility of obscurity." <BR/><BR/>I LOVE that.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-42668934336357701232007-05-19T18:04:00.000-05:002007-05-19T18:04:00.000-05:00Ray, One thing to keep in mind...God is outside of...Ray, <BR/><BR/>One thing to keep in mind...God is outside of time. The Saints who have found their union with God are likewise outside of time. <BR/><BR/>Thus, their "dance cards", as such, are outside of time and will NEVER be full. <BR/><BR/>Don't fear to trust even in the popular saints because they love you very much and are ready and willing to assist you with their intercession. <BR/><BR/>It is we who are bound by time. <BR/><BR/>But I like the unknowns and the "minor" Saints, too. And I'm certain God listens to them just as He always hears us and listens to our prayers, for it is He who inspires our very prayers.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-79296219239170649852007-05-19T18:02:00.000-05:002007-05-19T18:02:00.000-05:00My Spiritual Director said that there were many sa...My Spiritual Director said that there were many saints who are called to live a "humility of obscurity". I have always like that term it speaks well of those I have known in my life who were worthy of undeclared sainthood.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01239198273681288577noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-58311455924416120092007-05-19T17:31:00.000-05:002007-05-19T17:31:00.000-05:00I think Adoro is on to something here.There are mi...I think Adoro is on to something here.<BR/><BR/>There are millions, hopefully billions, in Heaven who are not "certified" as being there by the Church. The "unknown saints." <BR/><BR/>When I reverted and realized that I needed some intercessors in Heaven, inasmuch as I was (and in some respects still am) a spiritual basketcase, I looked for saints who wouldn't be in big demand, who would have time for me.<BR/><BR/>These millions or billions would be thrilled if they had a specific "project" upon which to work. <BR/><BR/>And the workload of St Francis of Assisi, the Little Flower, Padre Pio and so many others of the most popular canonized saints would be relieved of some of their responsibilities. <BR/><BR/>Their appointment books are pretty full right now.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08332138030182107580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-19780425525571397132007-05-19T13:45:00.000-05:002007-05-19T13:45:00.000-05:00WC ~ The reality is that the cloistered contempla...WC ~ The reality is that the cloistered contemplatives ARE the backbone of the Church...there is not a single moment during the day or night during which they are not praying...for US! For the Church in the world. Thank God every day for them. <BR/><BR/>The laity is the hands of the Church, we are the eyes, the ears, the hands and the muscle of the Mystical Body of Christ...but the contemplatives are the backbone, and we NEED to recognize that and in turn offer our prayers for them. <BR/><BR/>You will see that phrase over and over if you are reading things faithful to the Church, for it is commonly understood that this is their role. I'm not speaking my own opinion here in that regard, but I am relaying the status of the Church. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Rob ~ Just for the sake of clear definitions, while yes, nuns, sisters, monks and friars are "laity", they are still separate from the laity for they have given formal vows (different degrees of them), so the correct term for them is "Religious". <BR/><BR/>I think it's really important that we do not blur the lines between the roles/ states of life within the Church. <BR/><BR/>Jennifer F. ~ That's awesome! I love his books - glad you do as well. I had forgotten it was a prayer to an Unknown Saint that brought him into my life. Thank you for that reminder. <BR/><BR/>Melody ~ I'm not talking about the "everyday" person we consider a saint, and I agree with you...there are many. I'm talking about that true level of sanctity attained on earth by Saints such as St. Therese of Avila, St. Catherine of Sienna, St. Therese of Lisieux, etc. They were known as Saints even on earth, but of course no one is formally recognized as a Saint until the process of Canonization is complete. However, the Canonization is but a formal recognition of the Church on behalf of the faithful, confirming that they may be held as an example, confirming they are in Heaven, confirming that what was recognized about them on Earth is really true. I do believe there are true Saints among us that for some reason remain hidden and are not "exposed" even after death. So I'm going deeper here than the everyday Saint (which we shold all be, anyway! LOL - boy, do I fall short even at that!)Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-82845650819515787542007-05-19T11:42:00.000-05:002007-05-19T11:42:00.000-05:00Adoro, yes, I think of the "unsung heroes" a lot, ...Adoro, yes, I think of the "unsung heroes" a lot, too. People like my grandmother (we called her "Nana"). She was a devout Catholic lady who passed the faith on to her family. She also had the gift of radical hospitality; she opened her home and her heart to her pregnant niece, whose husband had walked out on her. She took care of her friend, who was recovering from cancer surgery and had no one to help her at home. She read stories and made chamomile tea for sick grandchildren. These are just a few instances in a life lived in service to others. All of us probably had someone like Nana in our families. We know them as saints, even if no one else does. <BR/>And I don't think it matters if a saint is a priest, religious, or lay person; saints are just people who do the work of God in their lives, whatever that may be.Melody Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00442985285647041700noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-14317918467119151952007-05-19T11:41:00.000-05:002007-05-19T11:41:00.000-05:00Ever since you first mentioned this concept a long...Ever since you first mentioned this concept a long time ago, I've just been fascinated by the idea of all the unknown saints that are out there.<BR/><BR/>In fact, wasn't it through praying about this that you discovered the works of Fr. Walter Ciszek? Anyway, because of that post I ended up reading about him as well, and his book He Leadeth Me completely changed my life.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, thank you for bringing up this great topic.Jennifer @ Conversion Diaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11894992378619176830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-29587695844228937102007-05-19T11:02:00.000-05:002007-05-19T11:02:00.000-05:00Cloistered nuns and monks are laity, unless they a...Cloistered nuns and monks are laity, unless they are ordained priests. No nun is a priest, therefore they are all laity. In men's orders, it depends. Somehave a high ratio of priest to laity, some have a lower ratio.<BR/><BR/>In a sense, you are both correct, since those in the cloisters are laity, and are the spiritual backbone.Odysseushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00028190531437571201noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-60507862835296485202007-05-19T10:51:00.000-05:002007-05-19T10:51:00.000-05:00Yes, the cloistered contemplatives are the backbon...<I>Yes, the cloistered contemplatives are the backbone of the Church,</I><BR/><BR/>I disagree. I think the laity is the backbone of the church.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com