tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post5724108369439399817..comments2023-09-22T06:56:46.508-05:00Comments on Adoro te Devote: But...!Adorohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-57270428265182876532009-04-22T22:40:00.000-05:002009-04-22T22:40:00.000-05:00poor anonymous, that is truly awful, I thank God e...poor anonymous, that is truly awful, I thank God every Sunday for faithful and holy Priests in our city! The one who used the Creator, Redeemer etc formula was politely asked to desist years ago or leave, he chose to leave. We are truly blessed here and i am truly Grateful!makemeasparkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03493873650540159181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-27100462136620672752009-04-22T17:11:00.000-05:002009-04-22T17:11:00.000-05:00How about mechanical santas and easter bunnies on ...How about mechanical santas and easter bunnies on the altar,a bird chirping tape during the concecration and the priest saying the words, "you matter" after the concecration. I have witnessed it all. Why are we dumming our faith down?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-71293649839499102762009-04-22T13:44:00.000-05:002009-04-22T13:44:00.000-05:00Adoro:
I just read this post to my 15 yr. old son...Adoro:<br /><br />I just read this post to my 15 yr. old son, who is a Master of Ceremonies for the TLM. His reaction:<br /><br />Brilliant...positively brilliant. From a young man who had only experienced the "goop" you so humorously referred to, for the first 11 years of his life. It doesn't take an adult, a rocket scientist of a theologian to get this analogy. This young man gets it, I get it and we sincerely appreciate your thoughtful post on this subject.<br /><br />Not to mention that it was gut-shaking funny!!Kimberlyhttp://catholicfamilyvignettes.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-37135607069609195312009-04-22T12:50:00.000-05:002009-04-22T12:50:00.000-05:00Amen - I have nothing to add except the profound s...Amen - I have nothing to add except the profound sense of sadness experienced at most Masses I attend.<br /><br />Sadness, not only for myself, but for the millions of people who have never had the experience of attending a beautiful liturgy.Adriennehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01562944653624224107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-35645268712263233442009-04-22T12:26:00.000-05:002009-04-22T12:26:00.000-05:00Your rant is resonating. I am saddened that you h...Your rant is resonating. I am saddened that you had to write it and that what prompted it seems to be so widespread. The liturgy can be such a beautiful and edifying thing, if it is only done properly. I don't know why it is so hard for some liturgists to just comply with the rite! When done right, the liturgy teaches us about our faith; when done improperly, it teaches the wrong lessons.Kurt Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14114016986246591892noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-16907651181872437422009-04-22T10:18:00.000-05:002009-04-22T10:18:00.000-05:00I agree with Adoro.
I was Confirmed and entered t...I agree with Adoro.<br /><br />I was Confirmed and entered the Church shortly after the EV of 2008. I've been to Mass daily for most of the last 8 months, and weekly for a year before that, and a couple other times besides. Do you want to know how many licit Masses I have been to? I can count them on figures and toes, give or take a couple amputations or genetic mutations.<br /><br />Do you want to know how many truly beautiful licit (afaik) Masses I have been to? About 5, including the single FSSP usus antiquior that I participated in (before I was able to partake of the post-baptismal sacraments). While we're at it, the validity of a couple Masses I've attended is doubtful.<br /><br />These Masses have been in more than half a dozen parishes in two dioceses, celebrated by not less than a dozen priests (retired and not), including two bishops (one retired) that together represented 3 or 4 notable religious orders.<br /><br />[While we're at it, the homilies I'm better for for hearing number only a couple more than the number of licit Masses that I've been privileged to participate in - in the pew.]<br /><br />For crying out loud, the Mass was meant to be done properly. And beautifully so.<br /><br />Allow me a spontaneous poetic rant, s'il vous plait.<br /><br />If the king of Belgium was setting there<br />Upon that wooden tabernacle square<br />You, lib'ral would show deference<br />Though you show it none each day<br />You come for the Mass to say<br />Or hear, celebrate - or participate<br />In this Mass you do castrate<br />More than human things.<br /><br />When "ars celebrandi" is more than can be said<br />Of the priest whose people are to be fed<br />And "in persona Christi" is all forgotten<br />And the music's purely rotten<br />Envision Belgium's king, sitting there<br />Trad, don't abandon Christ to go get some fresh air.<br /><br />Bind up your wounds<br />And be glad that it's valid<br />Even if the meat is salad<br />The potatoes fried and mushy<br />in the homily so gushy<br />With environmental praise.<br /><br />Pray in reparation<br />And act within your station<br />And mourn with me the dearth<br />Of disrespect - is Christ not worth<br />A beautiful thing<br />More than 60's bling<br />A licit sacrifice <br />Of Him who's be-yond price?<br /><br />Fear the God you worship<br />And let that horror perisheth.<br /><br /><br />There. I'm done. Time for lunch.Hidden Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06042188431683942338noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-17411858369708795232009-04-22T09:45:00.000-05:002009-04-22T09:45:00.000-05:00youknowwho - and EVERYONE ELSE :
Let's just put ...youknowwho - and EVERYONE ELSE : <br /><br />Let's just put the analogy aside for a minute because you're all getting WAY too hung up on that. <br /><br />The point my professor was making (and the point I'm making) isn't about the freshness of the vegetables. <br /><br />I don't have that stuff, either. <br /><br />Let's look very plainly at the Mass: Christ is truly present. Period. And because that's true, isn't it proper to take the BEST of what we have available to us and make sure it all points to and enhances what is really HAPPENING in the Mass? <br /><br />Now, return to the analogy again: focus on the steak you were given: in one case, you grilled it and spiced it and used what you had on hand because you realized what a treasure it was. <br /><br />On the other hand you stuck it in a blender and served it in plastic cups. <br /><br /><br />In the first case, if you didn't have fresh veggies available, you'd still use the best of what you have because those things ENHANCE the experience of the steak and point to its reality. <br /><br /><br />In the latter case you disregarded everything the steak is about and totally ignored the importance both of IT and the idea that what is "served" with it brings out its flavor and reality even more. <br /><br /><br />I get the impression that often people think I'm saying something I'm not. Please note that although I slammed the popular liturgical faire, I did not denigrate the NO and uphold the TLM. I did not mention specific hymns. I'm not a rad trad. If you're basing your comments on the idea that I think the TLM is the only way to go, then you're basing your responses on a premise that isn't there. <br /><br />Look at the analogy and just see it for what it is. Focus on the steak and how to bring it into fulfillment, and how you would do that. <br /><br /><br />I would HOPE none of you would throw it in a blender (unless of course you couldn't chew!)Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-21278021539055720152009-04-22T09:12:00.000-05:002009-04-22T09:12:00.000-05:00I would love a discussion about how we CAN "fix" t...I would love a discussion about how we CAN "fix" the liturgical music problem. Following your analogy, in my opinion, green vegetables and decent spices aren't even in the cupboard or freezer. Honestly, I"d rather have a mass with no music than the songs available on the market today. You can only sing the old classics so many days in a row before they get OLD OLD OLD ... and does old, stale garlic really benefit the steak in the end? <br /><br />But I"m getting into my own rant now. Adoro, delete this if you want. I won't be offended.youknowwhonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-72937680821241534892009-04-22T08:08:00.001-05:002009-04-22T08:08:00.001-05:00makemeaspark ~ I think you're making an argument ...makemeaspark ~ I think you're making an argument here that I'm actually not: This ISN'T about Latin vs. English or vernacular of another language. It's not TLM vs NO. And, in fact, your description of using what you have, i.e. instant potatoes, etc., reveals that you DO understand the event that is the steak. So no matter how little you have, you wouldn't even CONSIDER boiling it and throwing it in a blender. <br /><br />To do so would be to entirely wreck the steak. Is it still a steak? Yes. But you still do everything you can to do the best to bring out the reality and fullness of that steak even if you don't have the things you'd prefer. <br /><br />I'd rather not get into a discussion on specific "liturgical" music and how the Pope did or did not react. Remember that he's quite polite and even if he was cringing he certainly would not have shown us that side of him when he was here. So we really can't comment on how happy he was or wasn't with what he was hearing and seeing when he was here last April. (I'm also afraid if we mention specific songs this will degenerate into a discussion about that, and NONE of us wants that!) <br /><br />So really, you are getting my point perfectly and you aren't disagreeing at all with what I'm saying here, only with what you THOUGHT I was saying.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-60370213538319267852009-04-22T08:08:00.000-05:002009-04-22T08:08:00.000-05:00Hear hear! We don't want to simply mollify oursel...Hear hear! We don't want to simply mollify ourselves, saying "Jesus is still there... it was still a valid Mass..." Since Jesus is there, and it was a valid Mass, why is that not reason to make the liturgy the most beautiful thing on the planet? <br /><br />I agree. By watering ourselves down into Protestant wannabees, we cheapen the liturgy and cheapen the faith. We're Catholic, darn it. Let's be proud of it!<br /><br />See, now you've got me ranting too :-)Maggiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09398904417243102605noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-65966053272532415292009-04-22T05:48:00.000-05:002009-04-22T05:48:00.000-05:00Can I hear an Amen? Yes!
Great analogy about a p...Can I hear an Amen? Yes!<br /><br />Great analogy about a proper steak dinner. <br /><br />Don't be afraid to write what you really think! Remember this past Sunday's reading about St. Thomas? Notice that Jesus let Thomas see and feel his wounds--He didn't kick the man out the door for asking questions. Indeed, blessed are those who do not see and yet believe, but God also smiles upon those who see the evidence He offers and comes to exclaim "My Lord and My God!"Maria Raphaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17786583097607947093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-22183608377975106112009-04-22T01:25:00.000-05:002009-04-22T01:25:00.000-05:00The problem with your analogy is this. If i may bo...The problem with your analogy is this. If i may borrow it for a minute for a third possibility. At our house, we have run short of food, and when given something nice like steak we do not have the luxury of getting lovely vegetables to go with it. So we do the best we can, we mix up the instant potatoes given to us by St. Vincent De Paul and use some real butter, cause we had some of that in the freezer, and add some garlic salt to cover the instant flavor. we do have onions in a bag, just the yellow kind and we throw those in the pan with the steak, cause we can't afford a grill. And then we have the meal with Milk or juice or whatever we have on hand. To us it is still a feast and the steak is still wonderful steak and we are very grateful, perhaps more grateful than when we had steak more often. We savor every mouthful because it is indeed the most special part of the meal. <br /><br />And we are glad and remember the giver of the steak in our prayers. <br /><br />Yes, I agree, "Gather us In" is drivel and it does not even mention God, but The Mass of Creation, written by Haugen, was used at the Washington DC mass for the Pope last April and i saw the Pope singing along with a smile on his face. Which indicated to me that he was familiar with this particular piece of music. <br /><br />No its not in Latin(and i like the Te Deum mass better) but the Pope himself did not refuse to partake of the Lord that day. <br /><br />So although i agree with much of what you said, I think that you need to edit your ideas here considerably before they are wholly accurate. <br /><br />Love you girlfriend and keep those ideas coming at us!makemeasparkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03493873650540159181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-88136727534711038202009-04-22T00:58:00.000-05:002009-04-22T00:58:00.000-05:00Some very good points are made here Adoro! Bravo! ...Some very good points are made here Adoro! Bravo! If reading this gets me time in Purgatory then I'd hate to see what reading the newspaper will do. Keep it coming, I love it.Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18076870583313429655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-90750896681293796822009-04-22T00:47:00.000-05:002009-04-22T00:47:00.000-05:00This rant is echoed by Joe of St. Therese who agre...This rant is echoed by Joe of St. Therese who agrees 100% with this and is happy to take on your purgatory time ;)<br /><br />That's the problem, we settle for the minimum when there's much greater. What use of it is it to say Jesus is still present? Yes, Obviously, but do we settle for the the status quo, or do we go for our fullest potential.<br /><br />The difference between the "A" student and the "C" student isn't that much (besides for better reguritating what their liberal professors say) The "A" student does not settle for anything less than the best, neither should we when it comes to the Catholic Liturgy, this is why I'm a "liturgical snob" because I don't want the minimum, I want the full array of graces in blocked by human interference by disobeying the rubrics. Is that just too much to ask? Apparently so. <br /><br />And besides, as much of a sinner as I am, I need ALL the graces I can get.Joe of St. Thérèsehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06506671882770822003noreply@blogger.com