tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post3840820995079349329..comments2023-09-22T06:56:46.508-05:00Comments on Adoro te Devote: Sacrament PoliceAdorohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-67128661310503039782008-08-12T09:49:00.000-05:002008-08-12T09:49:00.000-05:00Another blessing your friend can say for her daugh...Another blessing your friend can say for her daughter is one my parents taught me:<BR/><BR/>As she blesses her daughter with Holy Water, say, 'In the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. May you be covered with the Precious Blood of Jesus and the Armor of God.'<BR/><BR/>This is not a Baptism, nor is meant to be, but is a blessing she can use for her daughter, daily if she would like.Lillian Mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11649542879780055108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-54813227160478175132008-08-12T09:34:00.000-05:002008-08-12T09:34:00.000-05:00Like others have stated, your friend can always bl...Like others have stated, your friend can always bless her daughter and ask Mary, our Heavenly Mother, to keep her daughter under Mary's mantel. Mary will protect her...in this world and the next. Mary promised this ... and we remember it every time we recite the Memorare.<BR/><BR/>I will keep her family, especially the conversion of her husband, in my prayers.Lillian Mariehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11649542879780055108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-55434136105966921092008-08-11T21:57:00.000-05:002008-08-11T21:57:00.000-05:00Just to be clear...if your friend's "blessing" was...Just to be clear...if your friend's "blessing" was an intention to baptize, and included the Trinitarian formula, it might have been a valid but illicit baptism, and this is NOT proper and is clearly not documented, it is also a violation of the rights of the parents, as well as an offront to God who knows the proper plan for that family. <BR/><BR/>If it was a simple prayer...we all pray for people all the time and pray for God's blessing upon them, which is in effect a "dedication" to God of that person, but is not an intended Baptism. <BR/><BR/>Most Christian denominations have what we as Catholics consider to be valid Baptisms. Maybe you're not involved in gathering the info, but each denomination documents Baptisms and generates certificates. Some of the Baptismal Certificates actually include the Trinitarian formula, some just indicate such and such was baptized on such and such a date and these are the parents and these are the Godparents and Mom's maiden name. People cannot recieve other Sacraments in the Chuch without proof of Baptism. If there is no document, then what is called a "Conditional Baptism" is performed, which honors any Baptism already completed and is done as a "just in case" the first (if any) one was not valid for any reason. <BR/><BR/>If someone does not have a proper Baptism in the Trinitarian formula, then if they receive any of the Catholic Sacraments, those Sacraments are invalid. (If you were reading when I did my post on Modalism - think of the implications. If someone is improperly 'baptized' and is ordained, the ordination is invalid as are any sacraments conveyed by the Ordinand.....what a HORRIBLE concept!)Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-24722238786184215962008-08-11T21:07:00.000-05:002008-08-11T21:07:00.000-05:00Maureen ~ exactlyAngela ~ Glad to see you again! ...Maureen ~ exactly<BR/><BR/>Angela ~ Glad to see you again! <BR/><BR/>Anyway...you're right. If the Trinitarian formula is used, the Church honors the Baptism. (ie: in the Name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. None of this Modalist heresy Creator Redeemer Sanctifier crapola.) Anyway, most Christian denominations are accepted in the Catholic Church, and at work as I deal with the other Sacraments it's my job to collect the Baptismal certificates, in case a Conditional Baptism needs to be done. So...if there is no document to prove Baptism, people get a conditional Baptism. <BR/><BR/>Praying for someone and asking for God to bless them is not a Baptism...there has to be an INTENTION to Baptize them along with the proper formula in order for the Baptism to take place. <BR/><BR/>I think my friend would be willing to Baptize her baby Lutheran...and then raise her Catholic and into the other Catholic sacraments, but her husband won't allow ANY baptism at all. As the baby isn't dying, she can't just take it upon herself...she is not a single mother. She is married, and the permission of BOTH are needed. However, it could be that there may be conditions that allow her to act upon her faith and her conscience in spite of marriage, so I hope if it is possible she can find that way. <BR/><BR/>Certainly, this baby has baptism of desire. Please pray for my friend's husband, especially.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-15675451380534025002008-08-11T20:39:00.000-05:002008-08-11T20:39:00.000-05:00My friend's grandchildren are not baptized and won...My friend's grandchildren are not baptized and won't be. So...my friend was babysitting and she blessed the babies with holy water and prayed over them and I believe dedicated them to God. Mom and Dad were not home. I think this is OK.<BR/><BR/>As for the difference between Catholic baptism and non-Catholic baptism - it's my understanding that we are baptized into Christ, He actually is the one that baptized us so therefore there isn't really a "Catholic" baptism and a "non-Catholic" one.<BR/><BR/>This is reflected in the sacraments of initiation for our candidates. They are not "rebaptized." <BR/><BR/>The only difference I can see is that those baptized in the Catholic church are bound by the laws of the Catholic church. <BR/><BR/>It all sounds like so much hair splitting, doesn't it?!Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08046773358292402621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-87896021123261046952008-08-11T11:39:00.000-05:002008-08-11T11:39:00.000-05:00I guess that if God can entrust a child to His car...I guess that if God can entrust a child to His care and that of atheist parents, or pagan parents, or what have you -- it's only fair that we do the same.<BR/><BR/>Of course, it's also fair to try and persuade reluctant parents to get their child baptized, if you think they really might have Catholic or Christian faith and might raise the kid accordingly. But ultimately, they have authority over their kids and we don't.<BR/><BR/>The enlargement of teachings about God's Divine Mercy comes into this.Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.com