tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post3186043562175470642..comments2023-09-22T06:56:46.508-05:00Comments on Adoro te Devote: Dangerous Cult MentalityAdorohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-35644497755908007612009-11-24T15:11:20.073-06:002009-11-24T15:11:20.073-06:00Bock ~ HE-LLOO! Again, the Decree was issued for t...Bock ~ HE-LLOO! Again, the Decree was issued for the Catholic FAITHFUL to stay away from the place, for that place is spiritually dangerous. <br /><br />However, I'm interested to know why people who go there THINK it's Catholic and then as soon as the Bishop is mentioned, you all fall back on "but it's Ecumenical." You can't have it both ways. Either it's Catholic or it's not.<br /><br />Either way, it doesn't matter. The Bishop has spoken to his flock, and he DOES have authority over them, spiritually, for it is the voice of Christ HIMSELF speaking in that authority. Thus, of those members of this bowel movement that are Catholic, they need to get out of the mire and return to the Church. <br /><br />It's patently obvious that Pope Maureen has created a new religion with her as the head, has borrowed heavily from the Catholic Faith, and has made herself and the messages the idol.<br /><br />Go read the Decree again. It's not directed AT Holy Love Ministries Cult, but at CATHOLICS.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-85552548310537383542009-11-24T13:26:27.571-06:002009-11-24T13:26:27.571-06:00Holy Love Ministries is NOT a Roman Catholic movem...Holy Love Ministries is NOT a Roman Catholic movement, but is an Ecumenical ministry. The present Pope is also well known for being an Ecumenical Pope! Anyone driving past the Holy Love Ministries can see the sign out front announcing ECUMENICAL! HELLLLLLOOOO!! Therefore, the bishop of Cleveland has no authority over this movement. Zip! Show me where they refer to themselves as "Roman Catholic".Bocknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-1056608274628067022009-11-23T20:43:06.493-06:002009-11-23T20:43:06.493-06:00As someone who was once in a cultish church, I fin...As someone who was once in a cultish church, I find HL disturbing. Also, upsetting are the attacks on Bishop Lennon.<br /><br />Adoro: Thanks for this series.Cathy_of_Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16795566831031491371noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-78972182411441628342009-11-23T12:39:56.736-06:002009-11-23T12:39:56.736-06:00Thank you so much for the links! They are quite he...Thank you so much for the links! They are quite helpful! <br /><br />I read a book a year ago called "Combatting Cult and mind control" i would recommend it if anyone is interested in learning more about methods used in cults.Lyssnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-12106791627190585072009-11-23T12:06:33.044-06:002009-11-23T12:06:33.044-06:00Nikki, God bless you for sharing. I've been ar...Nikki, God bless you for sharing. I've been around ministry (protestant, now a Catholic) for a long time and have seen this, sadly, many times over. This is a wolf in Catholic clothing. The core of it all, the key is in this "I find it quite ironic that I was supposed to be submissive to his misguided authority, but he is unwilling to be obedient to the Church’s authority." - authority. They now clearly show themselves to be absent of the holy love they claim because true love would not contradict itself and Jesus would most certainly not oppose the authority, his own authority, given to the Church. The enemy is tail spinning once again.<br /><br />May the Lord grant you grace and peace enough for each day that you and your children face this very real trial and may our Lord have mercy upon Noah, granting him the humility to return to the Church.saintoshttp://drawntocatholicism.com/blog/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-15165254187618158062009-11-23T11:48:19.917-06:002009-11-23T11:48:19.917-06:00Nikki, having been in a similar situation with HL,...Nikki, having been in a similar situation with HL, I would urge you to contact the Cleveland bishop's office with your specific information about Father Michael Flynn. In the past they have done something about things like that. You have my heartfelt prayers.<br /><br />Amethystmenace, I agree with your premise, especially relative to "secret" knowledge.<br /><br />AnnaAnnanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-17567465415618968172009-11-23T10:05:02.068-06:002009-11-23T10:05:02.068-06:00Qualis,
I'm MENSA-eligible, and I have been ...Qualis, <br /><br />I'm MENSA-eligible, and I have been involved in cult activity. I think we book-smart people are especially prone to intellectual and spiritual pride that makes us MORE vulnerable to cults, fringe groups, and "secret" knowledge.Amethystmenacenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-13695257456262383132009-11-23T08:11:57.688-06:002009-11-23T08:11:57.688-06:00Nikki, so sorry to learn of this. I'm praying ...Nikki, so sorry to learn of this. I'm praying for you and your family, that you will have the strength to get through this, and that your husband will accept the Bishop's decree and return.Vincenzohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15204262882202051257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-7827616604183831462009-11-23T07:20:38.794-06:002009-11-23T07:20:38.794-06:00Adoro, I am married to a devotee of HL, whom I sha...Adoro, I am married to a devotee of HL, whom I shall refer to as Noah. You see, Noah and I separated in February, and he moved out of our home. We were married 19 years and have 3 children. He is planning on filing for divorce as soon as the required legal waiting period is up. <br />Noah has been involved in HL for about 10 years. He employed all the cult techniques in your article, especially the character assassination and intense unrelenting pressure. This resulted in extreme emotional and verbal abuse towards me and the children. We were constantly being told that he had the truth and that someday “soon” we would find this truth out. He finally left the marriage because he was the “head of the household” and I was not being a “submissive wife”. Being submissive to him, meant being submissive to the HL messages and I wasn’t willing to do that. I find it quite ironic that I was supposed to be submissive to his misguided authority, but he is unwilling to be obedient to the Church’s authority. At the counselor’s office he made it quite clear it was over when he said “I will not compromise, Catholics do not compromise”. His logic and reasoning never made any sense, it was usually pointless to try and talk to him.<br />In May of 2006, “Pope Maureen Sweeney-Kyle”, told Noah that St. Teresa of Avila had appeared to her with the following message “Heaven is asking him to help make the messages available to more people- Praise be to Jesus! I am referring to Noah Nelson. This is a spiritual journey all should know about”. Imagine that! When the cult vultures prey on vulnerable, trusting souls who sincerely love Jesus and Mary, it is hard for them to not become brainwashed. Well, did he ever listen to St. Teresa of Avila. He passed out “HL calling cards” to every person he met, everywhere we went… even as he was distributing the Eucharist at Mass. He worked diligently for their organization most evenings. He would make trip after trip to HL, 8 hours away because “Mary asked him to be there”. If he couldn’t be at the apparition site, he would stay up into the wee hours so he could pray with them. He would spend hours on the phone with them every day forming “emotional bonds” with other women who are also involved there. There wasn’t much room left in his life for his family. <br />Noah also told our children that I was possessed by the evil Spirit of Leviathan. This is a spirit that works against ministries, and I believe can be found in Jeremiah. I was also told by Noah that I was a Jezebel wife. I am actually a stay at home mom of 16 years who homeschooled my children for 7 of those years. I sound demonic, don’t I?<br />The priest who works at HL is Fr. Michael Flynn and he is also Noah’s spiritual director. In desperation, before Noah had moved out I called him. I was told that I wasn’t being generous enough. If Noah was being called to this, I needed to pray about how I should be supporting him. I was also told that our marital problems may not be able to be fixed and it might be over. <br />I could tell you so many stories it would make your head would spin. This cult brainwashed a vulnerable man and he is now doing his honorable best to lead as many souls as possible to Pope Maureen the first. Not only has my family been combusted, but his extended family as well. Our large Catholic community has also been hurt by his obsessive addiction. I am so thankful that our Holy Church has finally come forward with an official decree. I pray that God will heal my family and all those that have been adversely affected by this demonic cult.Nikkinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-44509253137814662572009-11-23T06:59:29.800-06:002009-11-23T06:59:29.800-06:00Lyss ~ I just did a google search on your question...Lyss ~ I just did a google search on your question, and this seems to be a pretty good summary:<br /><br />http://www.culthelp.info/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6&Itemid=5<br /><br />And of course, it makes me realize that I did everything wrong in my responses to the people who commented on my posts. Then again...I didn't realize I was dealing with a cult at the time. <br /><br />I also found this link with more info on how to ID a cult: <br /><br />http://www.spiritualabuse.org/articles/idencult.html<br /><br />That site in general has a lot of articles from different perspectives, might be worth perusing. It seems that most cult awareness type groups or sites are from Evangelical Christian groups, have found several that call the Catholic Church (as a whole) a "Cult", and I came across one article that was purely based on a model of Christianity vs New Age (new age being the cult). So you'll just have to maybe look around for those articles that apply to your situation. Hope it's helpful!Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-44704997725875006612009-11-23T00:20:41.490-06:002009-11-23T00:20:41.490-06:00Another observation: why it is so frustrating to &...Another observation: why it is so frustrating to "argue" or discuss theological issues with people sucked into a cult of any type is the evident circularity of the arguments. Not only are the arguments circular, but they focus on little, irrelevant details, evading the most important point. Defensive walls go up and ad hominem after ad hominem is lashed out. These are some observations from personal experience...now my question is does anyone have any advice on how to "talk" with those under mind control or who have been brainwashed? or is prayer and calm but obvious disapproval the only answer?Lyssnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-31568838346421405502009-11-22T19:09:04.603-06:002009-11-22T19:09:04.603-06:00Just piping up to show solidarity. You have my pra...Just piping up to show solidarity. You have my prayers. God Bless!Londiniensishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15310965192661014230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-75897107407368531092009-11-21T22:17:46.325-06:002009-11-21T22:17:46.325-06:00Anna ~ Thank you. Your own witness is powerful. Ye...Anna ~ Thank you. Your own witness is powerful. Yes, they DO need compassion. They ARE people sincerely seeking. I don't condemn them...I, with the Bishop, condemn the falsehoods and the lies that lead them out of the Church, or for those who are not Catholic. My heart aches for the people being so spiritually damaged. Case in point: the anonymous commenter who commented just after you did. <br /><br /><br />ANONYMOUS: Thank you for making my point. Bullying, ad hominem attacks, fallacious arguments, Character Assisination....IT'S ALL THERE! ** APPLAUSE!!!*****<br /><br /> Your accusation about hate mail reflects YOUR heart, not mine.<br /><br />And the Catholic Faith IS a beautiful Faith...unfortunately if you're involved with Holy Love, you're getting a very very warped view of it. I'm sorry about that.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-12837212400717467932009-11-21T21:50:39.475-06:002009-11-21T21:50:39.475-06:00Well, you sure all know how to share your judgment...Well, you sure all know how to share your judgmental, sneering, mocking others, catholic faith! It makes your faith look hate filled.<br /> personally I think the catholic faith is a beautiful tradition, but reading a lot of things written over the last week from catholics against HL (Holy Love that is standing for the same things as catholics?) really makes others want to run and join one of the biggest religions in the world. NOT! <br />from seeing the way "catholics" behave and judge others who believe in the same traditions is scary, you can bet if you spoke out against baptist, luthern or methodists about their so called wrong teachings, they would also stand up and defend their beliefs. Its human nature to defend what we believe in, It doesn't make us any less a child of God.<br /> can you read the hearts of others? you all sound like you know a hearts intention better than God himself.<br />God is the only judge, better to believe God would do these sort of things then to say he does not, and slander those who believe he will and does, but then, Jesus did say "if you are presecuted for my names sake, REJOICE!!! and I don't believe that was just meant for catholics.<br /> there are bishops against bishops, cardinals against cardinals, priest against priest, within your own churches none can agree. how does that show your unity and love of others you all say you have so much of?<br />Jesus himself said "where there are two or more gathered in MY NAME, there I AM also. Was this just said for catholics? What about when Jesus said, " I have others NOT of this fold that I will tend to."<br />thats something to think about.<br /><br />sincerely,<br />from one who is on the outside looking in and staying<br />anonymous only because I choose not to receive your hate mailAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-12479463930880617242009-11-21T21:32:23.711-06:002009-11-21T21:32:23.711-06:00Having been involved in HL at one time, I can veri...Having been involved in HL at one time, I can verify that it is very cult-ish. EVERYTHING is run by the messages. Besides the public messages, there are also ministry and personal messages. If Maureen does not like what you are doing, you will receive a negative message from someone in heaven. If you actually begin to doubt the messages and are foolish enough to make that known, you would be shocked to see what kind of names you could be called, how you are cast as being against Jesus and Mary, how denigrations to your character (by heavenly visitors) are given in messages, etc. Those who leave have been treated as evil and are shunned. Most people who visit and follow the messages have no idea what goes on in the background. In particular, those who could be big contributors or can bring in a lot of believers or priests are given very special treatment and special personal messages from heaven.<br /><br />Have compassion on the followers - it's difficult to get out of the spiritual darkness. They are often very spiritual people who are looking for personal spiritual experiences, and are afraid to disbelieve because it is at the minimum disloyal to Jesus, and at the worst condemns you to hell if you don't repent.Annanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-74648823400097239342009-11-21T13:36:01.114-06:002009-11-21T13:36:01.114-06:00Maureen ~ AMEN to that! Prudence is a virtue for a...Maureen ~ AMEN to that! Prudence is a virtue for a reason! (Incidentally we studied that virtue in great depth this semester!) I can say that those who back that place in Ohio are greatly lacking in that virtue. And in the virtue of spiritual discernment. <br /><br />Mike ~ Well, even a broken clock is right twice per day. ;-) I'm with you on the "follow your heart" thing, and of course, I'm a sentimental person. But gotta say...if the heart isn't ruled by the head, you're nothing but a slave to your passions.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-40246443863299237952009-11-21T11:46:41.594-06:002009-11-21T11:46:41.594-06:00Thanks for being a beacon of sanity and good advic...Thanks for being a beacon of sanity and good advice. Too often we are told to "follow your heart" rather than "use your head".Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02491084930433319172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-9003084506750759052009-11-21T08:32:33.339-06:002009-11-21T08:32:33.339-06:00Re: cult members
Yep, there but for the grace of ...Re: cult members<br /><br />Yep, there but for the grace of God go we. People have very strong free will, yes. But they also have plain old human nature, with bodies and psychologies that can be exploited. Perfectly normal and intelligent people can be sucked in by this stuff.<br /><br />It's a lot easier to shy off at the beginning, even without any good reason you can put your finger on. That's what prudence is for.Bansheehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12594214770417497135noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-67854342082090239892009-11-21T06:15:52.758-06:002009-11-21T06:15:52.758-06:00Hidden One ~ I did respond to the poster, without ...Hidden One ~ I did respond to the poster, without publishing his comments, and told him I'm in grad school, which makes me VERY clearly see the error of that place. I also told him there is no further reason for him to comment at my blog. ;-)<br /><br />Qualis Rex ~ If you go to the link above, the site I linked to for the cult explanation/definitions, you'll see right away some mythology about people who get involved in cults. <br /><br />Really, they AREN'T needy, unintelligent people. Any more so than in the rest of the population. Now, I would be interested in testing that theory on the "HolyLuvBots" but I don't think it would be ethical to get a good cross section of specimens for that purpose. ;-)<br /><br />Shadowlands ~ They twist scripture in a really weird way. If you scroll down to the origial post on this, or maybe "Diabolical", it might have been the visionary herself or one of her main henchmen commenting. You'll see scripture twisted to cast suspicion and doubt upon the Bishop and the hierarchy of the Church.<br /><br />And they do it in really non-sensical ways. They have the people there in dissent out of distrust and doubt because "The Blessed Mother" and "Jesus" have told them that the HL mission is more important and that is what they'll be held to account for at their judgment.<br /><br />It's quite scary. And these people have switched off their intellects and they've handed the breaker over to the CultMasters.Adorohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853244433854822731noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-9167144624905952712009-11-21T03:05:24.500-06:002009-11-21T03:05:24.500-06:00What does holy lurv think of this scripture then? ...What does holy lurv think of this scripture then? How do they align it, with their encouragement to their members to disobey their Bishop?<br /><br />"obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account" (Hebrews 13:17).<br /><br />For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. (2nd Timothy 4:3-4).mehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06962374096401238994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-39203731387829146082009-11-21T00:38:07.248-06:002009-11-21T00:38:07.248-06:00Adoro - I don't think I'm being controvers...Adoro - I don't think I'm being controversial here by saying people who follow cults are seriously mentally disturbed or simply of low intelligence. I truly believe this is the case of the early Mormon church. The problem is that the offspring of such people can be very "normal", if not intelligent. So, we have a number of Mormons today who are 5th - 6th generation, but nonetheless smart people. They are in a constant battle: uphold their beliefs passed down from generations and maintain their expected place in society or acknowledge it is all a load of sheep-dip, and lose everything. I don't think I have ever met a people who are a) more moral relativists and b) casually use/abuse perscription drugs. Mitt Romney is a perfect example; support abortion when necessary to get into office (no doubt with a wink and a nodd from his churh elders, since the ends justify the means) then change your mind when playing to the wider audience in your party.Qualis Rexnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15170815.post-2863636909878038922009-11-20T23:38:35.983-06:002009-11-20T23:38:35.983-06:00On the subject of them thinking that you do not kn...On the subject of them thinking that you do not know anything about your faith... how long until you get awarded that MTh, again? ;-)Hidden Onehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06042188431683942338noreply@blogger.com